Nov 10
14
By Tim Bloedow
Why are homosexuals and other sexually confused Canadians trying to get the legal right for men to use female washrooms and women to use men’s washrooms?
So-called “transgendered” people are piggybacking on the homosexualist political agenda. In Canada, NDP MP Bill Siksay has introduce a Private Member’s Bill – C-389 – that would add transgendered language to the Canadian Human Rights Act and to the Criminal Code. The first provision would ban “discrimination” against people on the basis of their being transgendered and the latter provision would enable prosecutors to increase a person’s sentence if he was found guilty of a crime against someone if the motive for the crime was deemed to be hostility to the victim for being “transgendered.”
We have discussed this bill already in the context of a larger commentary exposing several affirmative action based bills that have been introduced in Parliament.
Since then, it has been learned that this bill has not only been debated once (at 2nd Reading) in Parliament, it has also just been rushed through the Parliamentary committee stage of the process, and is now scheduled for 3rd Reading debate in early December. It appears that the Conservative government hoped that the bill would fly under everyone’s radar rather than causing a great “moral” battle that would be used to marginalize Conservatives in the days or months before a next election.
If the Bill passed at 3rd reading in the House of Commons, it would then go to the Senate where it would also be debated several times. If it passed at each stage in the Senate, it would then receive Royal Assent by the Governor-General and become law.
The bill has been dubbed the “Bathroom Bill” because most battles for transgendered rights in the U.S. have revolved around the right of women to use men’s bathrooms and the right of men to use women’s bathrooms. Once again, capitulation is demanded to those who pretend to have the most delicate and fragile feelings. The reality is that, even if a person is on the way to transforming the perception of himself into the other sex, he still looks like the sex he is – otherwise this whole issue wouldn’t be an issue, would it? But because he still looks like himself, he will naturally be chased out of the other sex’s bathroom unless he has protection against discrimination.
Question: When your little girl goes to the public washroom at the shopping mall or at a restaurant, and she sees a man in there, how does she know if it’s an “innocent” transvestite, or the next “Colonel Russell Williams” – rapist and killer? How does your little girl know the difference – before it’s too late?
Are today’s social activists – or even your average John Doe neighbour – so morally cold and calloused – that they would capitulate to the hurt feelings (real or otherwise) of some sex activists over the real threat of harm posed to innocent, vulnerable children? Say it isn’t so…
First off? Check your facts.
‘Transvestite’ and ‘transsexual/transgendered’ people are two very different things. Use a dictionary if you don’t belive me.
This bill is about protecting the rights of transgendered individuals – people who want to blend in and just lead normal lives as they wish to be, like you or I. They don’t stand out as different, and they are hardly perverts who just want a chance at going into the ‘wrong’ washroom. Human rights means that all genders, all races, all religions, all People, should be equal regardless of what group they belong to. Transgendered rights need to be pushed forwards because this will help combat discrimination against them as a group because of ignorance.
Someone who is the process of transitioning might stick out a little, and this is where some of the problems arise more often, but not so much as you’d think. My sibling is transgendered, and you would not know passing her on the street that even a few short months ago she hadn’t even started going full time as the gender she wished to be. She also has an official letter that allows her the use of the woman’s washroom, written and signed by a doctor. She cannot be arrested simply for using the womens washroom, nor should she be. She is not some sort of pervert, just another girl who needs to use a public washroom for a few minutes. Exactly like the rest of us. No different. This Bill is designed to stop that kind of discrimination – and there IS discrimination present against transgendered people which having some legal protection might help with.
Trust me – if she went to the men’s washroom now? She’d get thrown out.
I completely agree with Anon, you need to get your facts straight. Your sentence “Why are homosexuals and other sexually confused Canadians trying to get the legal right for men to use female washrooms and women to use men’s washrooms” is severely incorrect. “Homosexuals” are not “sexually confused” people, they know what their sex is. Sex is not the same as sexual orientation, and neither of those things are the same as gender. And being gay, lesbian or bi is not a state of confusion that will eventually go away. Among my family and friends, the relationships between two men or two women have been stronger and longer lasting than the heterosexual relationships of all of the people that I know. And it’s because of people like you that a few of the gay friends that I know and love have tried to commit suicide, and/or have been terrified to come out.
Will god judge my gay and transgender friends for loving, or you for hating?
upsetteen,
You don’t think they have their facts straight huh? Where is your proof for the facts you give or that the facts are not correct? Just saying someone is wrong doesn’t make them wrong. The people here don’t hate persons we disagree with. That is just made up stuff you been fed and apparently believed. There are Christians missions all over this planet, trying to help people. No, there is a whole lot of evidence of Christian love for fellow man, but precious little that there is any hate. When a person doesn’t care about someone else, then why would they bother to try and steer them away from something we feel is dangerous? It is easy to just say nothing, but that would not be love.
The real fact is that the persons you mention do have high suicide rates, that, I assume, we agree on. It is fallacious to say these suicide rates are because of persons with religious beliefs.
Jesus came to give us (and you) life and to give it more abundantly. The person or persons who have taught you the lies, that Christian beliefs are hateful, are the true hateful persons, because the overwhelming evidence to the contrary proves them to be liars.
Ian a big part of the reason religious anti-gay/anti-trans activists can be considered to contributing to violence and hatred towards gays/lesbians and trans folks is because of the massive disinformation campaigns they wage against LGBT people, just take this article for example. Its very first sentence is completely wrong, homosexuals and transgendered or transsexual people are very different, one is about sexual orientation the other about gender identity, why would they try to confuse the two? This article also claims the main aim of this bill is to allow men to use the women’s bathroom and and women to use the men’s when nothing is further from the truth. The reality is that trans folks are regularly discriminated against in Canada, they get fired for being who they are, they get evicted for being who they are and they face a lot of violence and hostility for being who they are. This bill is about protecting trans folks from the actions of anti-trans bigots, to protect them in their jobs and homes and to discourage anti-trans violence. By reducing it to an issue of using the wrong bathroom greatly minimizes and trivializes the real hatred and discrimination faced by trans folks, besides once some who was born one sex transitions to the other sex they are that new sex and no longer their birth sex so its not women using men’s bathrooms that’s the issue, its men who were born women using the men’s bathroom and vice versa. This article is but one small example of religious anti-gay/anti-trans activists using lies, misinformation and distortion of reality to argue against equal rights for LGBT people in Canada. One of the most common lies told by such activists is that sexual orientation is a choice so gays and lesbians deserve no protection from discrimination or hatred. Why any heterosexual would think they know more about being gay or lesbian than gays or lesbians themselves is beyond me, and the fact that they always dodge the question “when did you choose to be heterosexual?” is just more proof that they know what they’re claiming isn’t the truth. Everyone is free to believe whatever they want but they aren’t free to force others to live by their own beliefs or to take actions based on their beliefs that infringe on another’s rights. You are free to believe whatever you want about LGBT people but you don’t have the right to force other Canadians to live by your own personal religious beliefs. The fact is equality for LGBT people in no way takes away any rights from anyone else, spreading hatred for LGBT people, or any other group, was never a right anyways and its also never been a right to force others to live by your religious beliefs. I’d have much less concern about religious anti-LGBT activists if they stuck to telling the truth about LGBT people instead of fabricating lies to back up their biblical beliefs but that almost never happens in reality. In reality the spreading of lies and distortions of reality by such organizations as operate this website do in a very real way contribute to violence and hatred against LGBT people by those who believe them. Besides if they didn’t support he hatred and violence against LGBT people then surely they’d say so, you can’t demonize LGBT people without expecting some to take you seriously and to act on what you preach.
Ian … if I may….. You have made a statement about high suicide rates and there you are correct. Transgender persons have an attempted suicide rate that is somewhere in the 31% to 41% range (depeneding on the study). Now why would that be …..hmmmm ….perhaps due to discrimination? Society at large (until recently) and also the church in general (with quite a push today) have been very judgemental of the transgendered. I know …. I am transgendered and I am in my mid 50s. I have been a sincere practicing Christain for over 30 years. About 4 years ago I told the leadership at my church because I was becoming much more public (work etc) and I wanted them to hear it from me. I was immediately pulled from helping and I have only been alllowed to attend service since. Now I could complain about being mistreated and my Christian “rights”. This I choose not to do and I defend the rights of that church to make their decision though I know it to be wrong. Now what about out in the rest of society? Well there I feel that the church does not have the right to interfere with my rights to be who I am. Sad to say but legislation is needed to protect me from discrimination by the very church I appreciated so much. Yes we need this legislation and we need it partly because of attitudes exhibited by the “church”. Perhaps when the church finally matures they will understand. The church does not have a good historical record in regards to human rights and it seems that here in North America that they have to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. This is just another such case and I shall wait for the day when standing up for the transgender finally becomes the church’s idea just like the other human rights issues.
It’s this kind of error, transexuality/homosexuality equivalence, that really does a lot of harm to interactions between Christian and LGBTQ groups. And it doesn’t help that the Christian side is regularly misrepresenting the LGBTQ side.
Even on this site, there is no consensus as to ‘what’ transgendered people are. Are they confused? Sick? Perverted? Or just different? The opinion here seems to change based on the claims being made. Regardless of the intent, it certainly looks like an attempt to marginalize people, not an attempt to help or inform.
The ongoing lies and foolishness from people pretending that transgender and homosexuality are separate issues is becoming nauseating. You look at all the media articles and campaigns for transgender rights and every single time you see that it is homosexual groups pushing the agenda. The last article I read on the issue, the group was PFLAG. Both groups/agendas operate together hand in glove. And the dishonesty of those pretending the issues are distinct isn’t going to change this. Transgender is a mythical concept and reflects the same humanistic fundamentalism of the homosexualist movement that thinks mankind has the power to recreate and redefine reality to invent categories and concepts that aren’t there. Both issues reflect a rejection of the real-world and Biblical distinctions between male and female. If homosexualists and “transgender” activists can’t agree to make truth and facts the starting point of a debate, then you can’t have a debate with intelligent people.
I find it fascinating how transgender gets quotes like “this,” to add an aspect of the unreal. Take the “bible” for example and its “truths,” and “god” and “jesus.” Just by adding quotes my words come of a sarcastic. The fact remains that homosexuality and transgenderism are two completely separate concepts. In reality the only thing they have in common with each other is the fact that the people that identify with those groups mutually support each other.
Tim you should check yourself. Your criticism of lack of real world disctinction from the “bible” and other so-called concepts of the male and female. What you refer to is the concept of sex which is entirely separate from that of gender. Sex is biological and gender refers to identity and the roles we play in the real world. That is a fact, the two are mutually exclusive. Besides I doubt as though you have read the “bible,” since you are reading a fourth party translation and adaptation of a story book. The meaning lost through translation is irreplacable and after multiple translations, well it really is hardly the same thing anymore is it? If you the “bible” which was first translated to Greek had any notions of sexuality that are rigidly heterosexual, one should take a look into the history of Greek sexuality. Their concepts of sexuality could be termed pansexual, which pre-dates old J.C. and his apparent “existence.”
D,
Are you so ashamed of your opinion because you identify yourself as “D?” You have proven Tim’s point, “If homosexualists and “transgender” activists can’t agree to make truth and facts the starting point of a debate, then you can’t have a debate with intelligent people.”
You said, “Take the “bible” for example and its “truths,” and “god” and “jesus. Just by adding quotes my words come of a sarcastic.” You didn’t need any quotes, your meaning is clear. I WILL take the bible for its truths as well as God (Jesus is God). The historicity of Jesus is undisputed. I’ve heard it said there is more evidence proving Jesus walked this earth than there is proving Hitler was real, so your last sentence shows you to be are either ignorant or dishonest, which is probably the same thing.
If you have evidence the bible is not accurate then bring it on. Just saying so doesn’t make it so. I appreciate science in that it confirms the bible. If you have hard scientific fact opposing the bible then bring that on too. Your post was full of empty blather, which pretty much amounted to christophobic nonsense, which makes your opinion about as valuable as stepping in dog dung. You don’t use truth or facts as a starting point for your argumentation, so if you wish to be taken seriously, I suggest a changing of methods.
If you want Truth & Facts, here they are. If you do not believe me, please grab a dictionary, use wikipedia, look it up online… you will only see supporting evidence.
Homosexuality, Transvestites and Transsexuals are all different. We all have our opinions on what is “Right” and what is “Wrong”, but even if you think they are all wrong, that doesn’t mean they are the same.
Homosexuality refers to a man who is interested in men or a woman who is interested in women. It is proven that around 10% of all people are Homosexual, it is not a mental disorder nor is it a genetic disability. Psychologists understand that when you see one thing amongst many different cultures that haven’t affected each other, you will see that it is “Natural” by Mother Nature – whether the Bible accepts it or not is a different story. The Bible however never says anything about pushing your beliefs on others, let God, in his infinite power, be the judge. As a mortal, you would be sinning to condemn or make life harder for another mortal. In fact, discrimination and suppression are sins in the Bible. (Also being Homosexual isn’t a sin, doing Homosexual acts is a sin… so technically anyone who has had sex with anyone who is not their spouse is in the same boat as Homosexuals))
Transvestites refer to men or women who dress in the other gender’s Stereotypical Clothing (The Bible never says men cant wear dresses, that’s just our Society. If we lived in different cultures it could easily be the other way around. Also the Bible doesn’t say men MUST be manly, nor women MUST be feminine.)
Transsexuals on the other hand… Transsexuals have a case of “Gender Identity”. That is when their gender (who they are, male or female) does not mix with their sex (what they have, peepee or veevee). Transsexuals honestly believe (and I agree with them, but that is my opinion) that they are of the other gender. Meaning if an FtM (Female-to-Male Transgendered) went in a Male Washroom, he (and yes HE, not she) is a man. That is his washroom. His gender is MALE, however what he has in his pants doesn’t support it.
Now these three are different, VERY DIFFERENT. Just because you believe they are all wrong, it does not mean they are the same.
John C,
“If you want Truth & Facts, here they are.” You are funny, John, “truth & facts,” HA, HA, HA! You obviously subscribe to the idiom, “B.S. baffles brains.” Well, don’t believe it John, because yours wouldn’t have convinced a preschooler.
You said, “The Bible however never says anything about pushing your beliefs on others, let God, in his infinite power, be the judge.” So, you think, believers should not specify what they believe, but you can push your blathering nonsense on whomever you choose? You do know there is a word for that, don’t you? Besides, the bible does, in fact, say “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Mathew 28: 19-20
“The Bible never says men cant wear dresses, that’s just our Society, … Also the Bible doesn’t say men MUST be manly, nor women MUST be feminine” Wrong again John! The bible does tell men to be men and women to be women so a man dressing like or trying to look feminine is contrary to biblical instruction. “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.” Deuteronomy 22:5
“It is proven that around 10% of all people are Homosexual, it is not a mental disorder nor is it a genetic disability.” 10%? Ya right! I do agree with the rest of that statement, it isn’t a mental disorder or genetic, because it is a choice. You make lots of claims, with only, ” grab a dictionary, use wikipedia, look it up online… you will only see supporting evidence.” YOU are the one making the claims so YOU look them up and show some supporting evidence. “Only supporting evidence,” is just plain silliness. Do you honestly think that saying it is so, makes it so?
“In fact, discrimination and suppression are sins in the Bible.” So you can discriminate and suppress the views of Christians but if we say something is harmful to a person’s well being and contrary to the the teachings of our Christian beliefs, we are the hypocrites? John, I just don’t know of a polite way to inform you are are full of crap and it shows.
John, if you are in the early grades of public school and my response seems harsh, please forgive me as I answered as though you were adult and therefore being deliberately misleading.
The mistreatment of transsexuals is real. The murder rate of transsexuals in the us is approximately 10x the norm. The issue of homosexuality has nothing to do with transsexuals, and in fact I can categorically state that I and other trans people that I know have no wish to be represented by the homosexual community. Latest genetic studies have found a gene for causing male to female transsexualism. Also MRI studies inidcate that certain structures in the male to female brain mimic that of a genetic women. personally I lived for years with my hormone levels, testosterone and estrogen, within the female range. A simple removal of my testes caused me to transition. As a person who desires liberty above all else, but tempers my freedom with respect and love for all people, my greatest wish is that all others obtain the freedom and happines I have found. As an architect for one of the finest firms in Canada I have contributed to society helping create hospitals, centers of education, libraries and other public buildings I have shown that given the freedom, a transsexual can be a good upstanding and contributing member of society. Regarding the sexual comments, I have been celibate for 10 years, out of choice. If you think being a transsexual relates to sexual deviency then I think you need to educate yourself before generalizing in an insulting and inflammatory way. I would hope that Canada continues to be a beacon for liberty, fairness, and compassion. In my opinion any other course of action seems myopic and small minded. The world is a complex place with complex problems. The days of simplistic solutions and knee jerk reactions are a thing of the past.
John C.,
On the off chance that you actually care about facts, the 10% homosexuality statistic is a fabrication. It comes from Kinsey’s unsupported research which purported to show natural human behaviour by using predominantly individuals criminally charged and imprisoned for the most egregious sex crimes. Interestingly his results tracked very closely with his own sexual practices (many that would have made Caligula blush). I refer you to Daniel J. Flynn’s book “Intellectual Morons” and Judith Reisman’s “Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences” for verification. Reisman also brought to light the sexual abuse of infants in order to establish that children were sexual beings from birth. Kinsey failed to present his research for scrutiny and all future statistics show 2 to 3 % to be homosexual. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Some quick question: Since Kinsey’s research largely came from the prison population, does this suggest that homosexuals are 3.3 to 5 times more likely to sexually offend?
Secondly, if homosexuality is innate and homosexuals are not predominantly sexual predators, how can you explain the disproportionately large numbers of homosexuals in prison?
Third, if many became homosexuals through their prison experience (thus explaining the larger number of homosexual sex offenders), wouldn’t this run counter to the claim that homosexuality is innate?
Doesn’t this further suggest that abuse can often be at the root of homosexuality, thus perhaps explaining the much higher rates of STDs, suicides, substance abuse, and mental illness that plagues the homosexuality and results in a life span 20 years shorter than their heterosexual counterparts? Isn’t this a more rational explanation than “bullying” or “not being accepted by society?” Isn’t this at least a reasonable explanation?
We really need to turn to Bible for this one folks. Judge not, and do unto others seems to be fitting for people who may irk us. What are we doing here people? We’re condemning a peaceful non-criminal group. What they do might go against a few obscure Bible verses, but I’m not going to jump on the band wagon. I’ll sit this one out.