Would you people PLEASE learn some history before talking out your a$$e$!

For the record, I’m not a relativist. I’m a nihilist who thinks that morals are an arbitrary but highly useful tool we evolved to help us live. And I think we need them now as much as we have ever needed them.

You say the intelligible basis for doing anything ethically is “On the grounds that we want to live in an peaceful, co-operative, prosperous society, and that we can only get there if we have some rules about what we can and cannot do.”

So whose definition of “peaceful, co-operative, prosperous”? There is more than one definition of those terms out there so how does a relativist decide between them, and on what basis do you impose your definition on other people, demanding they hold the same views or at least act according to them whether they share those beliefs or not? And if they refuse, how does a relativist – what’s true for me is not necessarily true for you – judge and punish those who act contrary to your ideas of “peaceful, co-operative, prosperous”? And on what philosophical basis to you rationalize your right to judge others who pursue different goals or a different definition of “”peaceful, co-operative, prosperous”?

Christianity brings prosperity and peace, it is the exact opposite of socialism which brings poverty, darkness of knowledge, lack of liberty and death to millions.

What to argue the USSR isn’t socialist, it is communistic, then tell me what USSR stands for? Hitler’s German wasn’t socialistic they were fascists, what did they call their state? Communism and fascism are obviously identical twins with socialism as their mommy.

By the way, here is a list of things I’ve accused you guys of:
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Here is a list of things you’ve accused me of:
- Being bigoted
- Being close-minded
- Holding a double-standard
- Worshipping the state
- Demanding human sacrifice on a massive scale
- Leading young people to sexual perversion
- Wanting a free reign in debate while I neuter opponents
- Not thinking like an adult

After this list, you’re going to say that I’m the one who’s poisoned the well in the debate? You guys are something else. You know what? I will accuse you guys of something; projection. You’ve done nothing but frame the debate in such a way as to make me look like a hateful spammer with an axe to grind. But you assume that this is what I want to do because it’s what YOU guys do day in and day out. Well, I’m not like you guys.

This website is a joke. Good luck with your Christian Sharia law, I’m sure it’ll go over great with Canadians.

Also, notwithstanding the assumption of you atheists that you are the only ones with the right to have strong opinions, we are too, and not everyone who engages in debate is required to do so in a dry, academic fashion. Your last para. assumes our purpose is to be an academic, middle-of-the-road org. trying to appeal to all people. Again you haven’t bothered to read our material at face value. We have beliefs and convictions and this org. exists to advance them. We have plenty of links to such articles when we make such claims, but not every single time for the sake of people who have only started checking us out in the past week. We expect you to do some research on our site too if you’re serious about learning instead of being handed everything on a silver platter. You don’t impose the same criteria on your atheist works. You want to neuter your enemies while giving yourselves free reign in debate. We don’t capitulate to that kind of bigotry over here.

Gabriel, is it fair to say you accept evolution as fact, yet, you have no real evidence of this “fact.” The evidence of man’s evolutionary journey has been proven wrong and often just faked, yet it is still taught in textbooks to our children as fact. If you are honest and wish to engage in fact finding debate then check out responses and debate those. As he has pointed out atheist do not respond to our proofs but skip over such things and attack from a different angle. After a few of these it becomes obvious we are not talking to thinkers but only those who think they are thinkers, which can be summed up with a brief description of closed mined bigots.
“Nice to see that you can treat me so condescendingly, I’m sure that’s what Jesus would have wanted.” That is a peculiar comment. It is something which I may ask of another believer if I think they are being too harsh or judgmental. It is proper for me to ask because I believe that Jesus is the Son of the living God. Jesus said” I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by me.” John 14:6 So you see, I believe the Jesus is God, He said “I and the Father are one.” Are you also claiming a belief in Jesus as God?

But can you understand why I’m not going to read every article on your site (by the way, I have read a number of them)? The reason is that from what I’ve weaned, this is not a place of fair and respectful debate. Issues like abortion and, hell, whether or not god even exists, are delicate and should be engaged with maturely and politely. You could be wrong. Christianity could be a simple instantiation of cultural mythology which will someday disappear. Or you could be right, and an eternity of bliss will great you in the afterlife. I’m NOT saying that all ideas are equally plausible, just that a respectful temperament can do no harm.

As for your accusation that atheists all spout the same drivel, try finding a similarity between Chris Mooney and PZ Myers. Notice the number of holy texts we accept = none. Atheism is strictly non-prophet.

Lastly, I wouldn’t want to burden you with an infinite “back that up” regress. Nonetheless, you should really provide links to articles that make your case clearly when you make a statement as obviously inflammatory as this one: “For Humanism, the state is god, so this is also a war against Socialism. This makes one’s view on government very important. Socialism – and most of today’s Canadians – recognizes only one form of government: civil government.”

Gabriel, you really should do yourself a favour by separating yourself from the intellectually vapid atheist cult of North America. Their disciples have thoroughly embarassed themselves with their mindless, cookie-cutter, parroting, myth-promoting, hallucinatory nonsense on our website. They couldn’t come up with an argument to save their lives so they engage in subversive guerilla warfare. It’s the same thing, person after person as though they are all disciples of the same grand pooba. No independent thinking. You are sounding like that too. Don’t be sucked in. Christianity is true. God is God. And He has sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the penalty for the sin of His people so they can be redeemed and made new for now and eternity.

But I’m often wrong! Hell, I love to be wrong. Opens me up to new ideas! But I need an ARGUMENT, and you didn’t give one. You just threw bombs.